tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424136.post6833284783608266405..comments2024-01-29T06:25:17.244-05:00Comments on philorthodox: The Anglican Province of America and the Common Cause PartnershipThe Most Reverend Chandler Holder Jones, SSChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06597996290993316169noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424136.post-29121400521070319162008-01-17T23:02:00.000-05:002008-01-17T23:02:00.000-05:00Dear friends,Thank you for your excellent response...Dear friends,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your excellent responses and thoughts. As you can tell from my most recent post, Holy Orders alone are not the only obstacle to full communicatio in sacris with the churches and bodies that comprise the CCP. Everything from the doctrine of the salvific necessity of Baptism to Marriage discipline differs bewteen ourselves and our well-meaning friends on the neo-evangelical side. But the Sacramental Priesthood is the central question round which all else revolves, and if a church gets Priesthood wrong, it gets the Gospel, and all its other revealed truths in the Christian Tradition, wrong. God bless you and thank you for reading!The Most Reverend Chandler Holder Jones, SSChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06597996290993316169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424136.post-75247942273660060292008-01-17T19:08:00.000-05:002008-01-17T19:08:00.000-05:00Having women as ordained clergy is one of the prin...Having women as ordained clergy is one of the principal reasons there are Continuing Anglican Church jurisdictions, not just homosexuals in the clergy, the 1979 Book of "Heretical" Prayer or Bishops who openly deny the Virgin Birth.<BR/><BR/>The member groups of the CCP who do have women as ordained clergy would do well to rid themselves of this ill-conceived practice, even if it means saying to those women who currently serve in the capacity of clergy "Sorry, you have to go".<BR/><BR/>It's not un-Christian to handle it this way. It would be completely in line with the way other heresies were handled by the Church in centuries gone by.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424136.post-38696000039784924762008-01-16T22:52:00.000-05:002008-01-16T22:52:00.000-05:00I too am happy that the APA will remain an observe...I too am happy that the APA will remain an observer in the CCP. I do not see how the members will be able to resolve the women's ordination issue so as not to violate anyone's conscience. It seems unlikely that the majority of the partners who believe that women can be ordained will be convinced of their error, and I pray that those who do not so believe will not be moved from their position.<BR/><BR/>As Fr. Newman has pointed out, if you argue that tradition is in error or irrevelant when it contradicts your position, you can no longer appeal to it when it supports you.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16134211925084223410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424136.post-78189094509927549152008-01-15T11:22:00.000-05:002008-01-15T11:22:00.000-05:00You've pointed out the elephant in the sacristy: t...You've pointed out the elephant in the sacristy: the ordination of women. This issue will make shipwreck of any and all effort to cobble together a non-Episcopalian pan-Anglican reality in North America, and no one on either side of the fight wants to acknowledge in public in the vain hope that the issue will simply go away. But it will not go away, and what has to be faced is this: ordaining women (even to the diaconate, certainly to the priesthood, and especially to the episcopate) renders any Christian communion into a Gnostic sect. Once that move is made, blessing sodomy as a sacrament is inevitable, and any Anglican who pretends that this isn't so will in due course find himself in another sinking boat like the Episcopal Church, no matter what protestations to the contrary are made.Jay Scott Newmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05983835520470686424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22424136.post-71272525229021101612008-01-15T09:43:00.000-05:002008-01-15T09:43:00.000-05:00Amen, amen, and amen. Bishop Grundorf is a man of ...Amen, amen, and amen. Bishop Grundorf is a man of deep wisdom, pastoral sensitivity, and godliness. Let us continue to lift him up in prayer and thank the Lord for his leadership and witness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com